VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

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Hlextor

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Sabertooth__ said:
This is for everyone, not just you. The teaser thing in my opinion is fault of both sides not just his. It is unwise to not share your teasers, they are one of the best ways to bring in patrons and at the same time keep the game in people's mind. Few Dev's even release it for free, just so that anyone who comes to their page can see the present quality of the Dev's work. L&P's page literally has no image from day 19 of the game, people can't see his current art quality unless they subscribe. Which is not very good marketing.

The people here are to be blamed because of how they act. They will see the teaser here and immediately get to trolling him and other rude stuff or get too nitpicky about it. I can never forget that bag discussion. It became so big the Dev had to clear it out which is ridiculous. No one is ever happy, part of it is L&P's fault because he overhypes his teasers. The Dylan Sophia teaser was in actuality not special. Even after playing the event I didn't get how or why that teaser is actually an awesome one.

If for the Aiden event he actually used the Venus statue render and called it a big teaser, even though I would have been kinda disappointed at first, after playing the event I would understand why he called it big, as it pre indicates Sophia's fate in the scene. For the Dylan event a teaser of Dylan standing against the hobos would have been good and really would have gotten everyone anticipating.

From what little I talked with him I don't think he is an unreasonable person but one really needs to know how to talk with him. If a few of his patrons talk to him I'm more or less certain he will allow the teasers to be posted here but I honestly can't bring myself to ask anyone to do that on the thread's behalf because of how toxic it is. Even if he allows people will once again get back to crossing the line and saying horrible things under the guise of being a critic.
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I think it was two or three years ago when his patreons were still far below 800. I had a little discussion with him about the teasers.
He didn't really like them then and I don't think he does now. I recommended doing it anyway. Just for the reason to make the game or the upcoming update more interesting and exciting at the same time. So that of course more supporters are attracted. In the meantime, he has implemented it. Why he doesn't want teasers to be published here has two reasons in my opinion. One is that he provides them to his supporters, who pay for them. If then a legend creates a new user here just to post the teaser.... for whatever reason, remains to be seen. The other reason is that he makes even more supporters/pirates curious. So actually he does everything right with his teasers.
 
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Wouldn't it be easier, then, for L&P to do a basic teaser for pirate sites like here (that would advertise him and allow people to discover his art)?
Then a middle-class teaser for his average patrons.
And for the patrons legends a daring, hot teaser something really reserved for them alone?

In short, a gesture on the part of L&P and its respect and recognition on the part of others.

It's just an idea. It doesn't cost a thing to try at least once.
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I had the exact same idea, it would be so much better for his game and will be appreciated heavily by his patrons.
At this point though he needs to first agree to sharing his teasers here only then can one even mention to him this idea.
 
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Sabertooth__ said:
This is for everyone, not just you. The teaser thing in my opinion is fault of both sides not just his. It is unwise to not share your teasers, they are one of the best ways to bring in patrons and at the same time keep the game in people's mind. Few Dev's even release it for free, just so that anyone who comes to their page can see the present quality of the Dev's work. L&P's page literally has no image from day 19 of the game, people can't see his current art quality unless they subscribe. Which is not very good marketing.

The people here are to be blamed because of how they act. They will see the teaser here and immediately get to trolling him and other rude stuff or get too nitpicky about it. I can never forget that bag discussion. It became so big the Dev had to clear it out which is ridiculous. No one is ever happy, part of it is L&P's fault because he overhypes his teasers. The Dylan Sophia teaser was in actuality not special. Even after playing the event I didn't get how or why that teaser is actually an awesome one.

If for the Aiden event he actually used the Venus statue render and called it a big teaser, even though I would have been kinda disappointed at first, after playing the event I would understand why he called it big, as it pre indicates Sophia's fate in the scene. For the Dylan event a teaser of Dylan standing against the hobos would have been good and really would have gotten everyone anticipating.

From what little I talked with him I don't think he is an unreasonable person but one really needs to know how to talk with him. If a few of his patrons talk to him I'm more or less certain he will allow the teasers to be posted here but I honestly can't bring myself to ask anyone to do that on the thread's behalf because of how toxic it is. Even if he allows people will once again get back to crossing the line and saying horrible things under the guise of being a critic.
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I do agree with you about how toxic it has gotten and your reasoning, But he should be the one to release his teaser pic here just like the other devs do on their thread
 
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Hlextor said:
The other reason is that he makes even more supporters/pirates curious. So actually he does everything right with his teasers.
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It's a break in logic :unsure:
How do you make pirates curious if they don't even know a teaser exists? Because a blurry image doesn't make you curious.
And if that's what happens :PogChamp:, that a blurred image makes you curious and willing to pay (y), tell me and I'll deliver tons at a good price :ROFLMAO:
 
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nexer said:
It's a break in logic :unsure:
How do you make pirates curious if they don't even know a teaser exists? Because a blurry image doesn't make you curious.
And if that's what happens :PogChamp:, that a blurred image makes you curious and willing to pay (y), tell me and I'll deliver tons at a good price :ROFLMAO:
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You're right there, too, of course. That's what I thought when I read it again. :ROFLMAO: I think that some would like to know what is hidden behind these teasers and then sign as new supporters. His patreons are growing steadily. He falls probably like all at the beginning of the month but then recovers. And currently, he has over 1600 again.
 
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Hlextor said:
I think it was two or three years ago when his patreons were still far below 800. I had a little discussion with him about the teasers.
He didn't really like them then and I don't think he does now. I recommended doing it anyway. Just for the reason to make the game or the upcoming update more interesting and exciting at the same time. So that of course more supporters are attracted. In the meantime, he has implemented it. Why he doesn't want teasers to be published here has two reasons in my opinion. One is that he provides them to his supporters, who pay for them. If then a legend creates a new user here just to post the teaser.... for whatever reason, remains to be seen. The other reason is that he makes even more supporters/pirates curious. So actually he does everything right with his teasers.
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I wouldn't really agree with him doing everything right with teasers. I understand him keeping them behind paywall for his supporters.

Firstly, if he posted a fairly normal teaser for free on his page which emphasizes on the beauty and quality of his renders, it will actually get people interested (He can keep special teasers for his patrons ). Those teasers will get people curious as to what is happening in the scene. L&P needs to throw the initial hook but he doesn't do that.

Second, his choice of teasers is really bad. None of the teasers from the last update had anything to do with the actual event. His teasers give away absolutely nothing, can't really call it a teaser if does not even give a hint of what will happen.
 
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Second, his choice of teasers is really bad. None of the teasers from the last update had anything to do with the actual event. His teasers give away absolutely nothing, can't really call it a teaser if does not even give a hint of what will happen.
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I agree with you on the teaser selection. No teaser was not really linked to the story. That's his idea about the teasers then. I guess he provides some... but they usually have no relation to the actual event.
 
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Scarlet56 said:
Wouldn't it be easier, then, for L&P to do a basic teaser for pirate sites like here (that would advertise him and allow people to discover his art)?
Then a middle-class teaser for his average patrons.
And for the patrons legends a daring, hot teaser something really reserved for them alone?

In short, a gesture on the part of L&P and its respect and recognition on the part of others.

It's just an idea. It doesn't cost a thing to try at least once.
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He holds us in absolute contempt. He literally doesn't like us or see any value in a website like this- so he's not going to spend an extra second making content just for pirates. We can debate the merits of this strategy but if he sees no value in this site then why spend any time making content for it?
 
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GingerSweetGirl said:
He holds us in absolute contempt. He literally doesn't like us or see any value in a website like this- so he's not going to spend an extra second making content just for pirates. We can debate the merits of this strategy but if he sees no value in this site then why spend any time making content for it?
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Like a lot of the big names, they started here at first and once they got enough support they complain about piracy and stop interacting here
 
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dolfe67 said:
Like a lot of the big names, they started here at first and once they got enough support they complain about piracy and stop interacting here
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Yes, but this is more extreme than usual. It's one thing for a dev to move on or participate less; but there is active hostility between L&P and many members of this thread.
 
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